Now we continue on with the hard aspects to the moon and we of get onto the really juicy stuff now.

The really big challenge in aspects of the moon with Saturn Uranus Neptune or Pluto and we will begin

with Moon Saturn

and so there's three possible aspects that we're referring to.

We've got Moon conjunct Saturn moon square Saturn all Moon opposite Saturn.

I have to say that this is one of the most difficult aspects you could ever hope to find in a chart

essentially because the nature of the moon and Saturn are so different.

The moon as we know is all about a sort of emotional nature and the need for safety and security.

The essence of Saturn Saturn's energy is is about a sense of frustration separation being limited or

restricted.

Anything that Saturn connects with freshly with the hard aspects represents one of the big challenges

in life.

And like I say the moon and Saturn's natures are so different.

The moon once this close up and yet Saturn somehow through life is restricted it's limited it's felt

to be lacking in some way.

Saturn Saturn connections indicate when they hit a personal planet like the moon it indicates some thing

where we feel blocked or we can access that energy or we can express it in the way that we would like

to.

So as you can imagine the sense of separation and coldness is so different to what the moon wants.

And our natures are very sensitive and so it's it's it's incredibly difficult to really for a person

to overcome the sun to and to really get in touch with them be able to express that emotional nature

in a way that feels good.

So how does this come about.

Well as we now know the moon relates to our mother and our upbringing our childhood conditioning.

And in a sense it can even go right back to the actual moment of physical birth.

When you see a moon Saturn contact such as this in a chart for some reason was the emotional bond the

close emotional connection between child and mother didn't take place in a similar way and that can

be for any number of reasons.

It could be that during the birth process there were complications which meant that the mother and child

weren't together right after birth and having that sense of physical contact and physical touch.

Maybe it was maybe it was necessary in section birth or maybe there was some kind of complications that

meant the Moon Child sorry and the mother couldn't bond immediately.

It could even be that the mother herself was a Saturnian type figure.

So the very strict or kind of Holden or stego may be career oriented and more focused on her working

life her life out there and in the public sphere which is which is Saturn's natural realm a person with

suspect in that chart and had a very strict mother who was very controlling emotionally unavailable

or maybe just depressed or burdened with her own life difficulties.

You know it could be that the mother was trying really hard to but tadalafil self fears another.

Another thing that symbolized by Santan So maybe the mother herself had a lot of fears insecurities

and doubts and even though she was trying very hard she somehow got picked up by the child because remember

from the very early age as far as the child is concerned that first they don't see themselves as being

separate from them love us or that bond that connection the child just kind of absorbing everything

that the mother is feeling herself.

So it could be that the mother is struggling in some ways is very Saturnian which which you could just

be our own fears or it could be that she was actually cold or not you sort of classy nurturing mother

figure maybe a career woman in some way.

Going back to what I what I was first talking about the moment of birth that could just be that something

that stopped that emotional bond forming because that's the essence of the moon.

Saturn is the some kind of playmates or restriction in the emotional nature which gets Lun somehow through

the relationship an experience of the mother figure.

So whether it's through not having that close contact with the mother immediately after birth or whether

she's just not arrived physically or not around emotionally as the child is growing up.

The essence of it is what a person with Moon sat in this configuration feels is essentially separation

anxiety.

There was a time when the fetus was all warm and safe and cared for in the womb and then you know suddenly

comes out into this cold scary bright weird place called life.

And for some reason there was some thing in early upbringing that was instilled in the person that they

say isn't safe this is not a safe place.

And as that role of providing the safety comes from the mother that that's where the connection comes

from that whatever was going on with the mother and the relationship meant what the child picked up

was Life is not safe.

So issues that stem from this like I say it kind of comes from that sense of just separation anxiety

which can as the child grows lead to issues of insecurity feeling inadequate and fear of rejection.

And you know whether or not what the actual experience.

The mother was actually doing is not really the important thing here.

Remember astrology is very subjective in the sense that it's a chart shows how a person experiences

life not necessarily what was happening.

So what we can say from the moon Saturn connection is the child feels scared in some way lonely separate

insecure.

And as the photo on the screen is basically just a little symbolic representation of what a what a moon

aspects can look and feel like my emotional needs don't get met is basically what you could say about

Moon Saturn for whatever reason.

The real.

To fully understand exactly how an aspect works in a chart really comes from speaking to the person

and through the consultation itself.

You can tell a lot from the charts alone but you never actually you can never get to know exactly how

that manifests in the world for the person.

But what you can always what's going on inside them what they're feeling.

Well when the moon sounds on like this it's it's usually very very challenging.

There's a sense of insecurity that comes basically from feeling the mother doesn't meets one's emotional

needs which then can lead to a lack of self-confidence as the person grows up and an expectation that

one's needs aren't going to get met.

So when that person becomes an idol there's often a sense of being us in relationships or with this

sentence want what the person is looking for.

If not can it get.

And obviously that can then become a self-fulfilling prophecy that somebody with a moon Saturn aspect

in their chart my until they've really dealt with on an internal level is self insecurity and lack of

self-esteem which can often manifest as people showing up in your life who don't really care for you

or being attracted for some strange reason to for somebody who isn't going to meet your emotional needs

which is really a reflection of it's like living out again the relationship that you had with your mother

in some way.

Your experience of her with your emotional needs not getting met.

And so that's what can often happen in relationships.

And it's worth making clear again here.

They suspect on all of these hard aspects that there's essentially two different ways that it can actually

manifest in life.

One is the experience of life is actually like this or in the case of moon Saturn that the mother is

actually called an unresponsive and not able to take care of the parents and the child's needs.

Or it could be that the mother isn't really that way but for some reason the child is predisposed to

picking up on that behavior.

So when the mother does act in that kind of way it lets you study more deeply with the child and it

is more noticeable than when the mother acts in in a loving caring way and it could be one it could

be the other it could be a mixture of both.

But regardless the outcome is the same.

And that's the important thing.

Remember the chart shows our perceptions not that not necessarily the objectively reality I could go

one step further here and say that there is no objective reality there.

All that we ever experience in life are our perceptions rather than an objective world.

So the chart shows what the world looks like for us which is a subjective experience.

You know really regardless of whether or not there is no objective world out there which which is a

whole other topic quite frankly and one that I find incredibly fascinating which I could talk about

for a long time but it's not strictly speaking related to astrology so I'll leave it up for now.

And I'll just quickly share as well a quote from Carl Young the psychologist psychiatrist who was also

himself an astrologer.

Very very keen astrologer.

And he basically says the same thing as well I've just been saying but using bigger words I don't want

to share it with you he says.

My own view differs from that of other medico psychological theories.

Principly I attribute only a limited a theological significance that is to say all of those influences

which the Licitra describes as being exerted on the children do not come from the mother herself but

rather from the archetype projected upon her which gives her a mythological background.

The mother must be divided into two groups one those corresponding to traits of character or attitudes

actually present in the mother and to those referring to traits which the mother only seems to possess.

The reality being more or less funtastic i.e. archetypical projections on the part of the child.

So something that's worth bearing in mind.

Ultimately the outcome is the same but the essence of this is that the mother could actually have been

like that all the child was just somehow predisposed to picking up on and being aware of up certain

traits over other traits.

OK so back back to a bit more about the moon Saturn connections.

As I was saying there's there's almost a sense of expecting the worst when it comes to relationships

and other people and getting your emotional needs met and it all stems from the internal feelings of

lack or even guilt or fear around expressing emotions to the degree that the person maybe then grows

up feeling like it's not OK to have needs and wants and in a sense the they don't have what they want

to be fulfilled in life.

They didn't come through experiencing over and over again with with the mother as a child not getting

one's emotional needs met.

And so then then one response of that is feeling like OK well it's just easier to close myself off to

become emotionally detached to shut myself down emotionally and basically because the sense of being

in touch with the moon being in touch with the emotional side becomes too painful and that can be a

sense of well it's better just to deny my feelings deny my needs and shut myself off from them rather

than having to feel the pain of having them block all thought thwarted in some way which is what Satam

will often do in the hard aspect to a planet a person with Moon Saturn aspect.

They may seem very self-sufficient really strong and really tough but underneath there's probably a

good chance that there's this sort of small child still laying there who's fearful and suffering in

some way and feeling unworthy of being loved and unworthy of having their needs met in one way this

can come out is then through as an adult through then trying to compensate by being very productive

in the world.

You know statens places is not striving and looking to achieve in the world which obviously itself is

no bad thing but when it comes as a compensation behavior then than a person with such an aspect so

they might end up feeling like that their sense of emotional satisfaction or their sense of self worth

and self value really only comes through what they achieve through being productive in the US.

That's a pretty rocky road to go down because it's so fragile and uncertain Actually if one's sense

of worthiness relies purely on external achievements and being successful in the world then even even

if you succeed this is still going to be something deep inside that isn't knowledge that's been shut

off and that leads to a constant sense of worry or anxiety.

And what you often see with people with Moon Saturn aspects is a I mean a there's a sense of being emotionally

shut down in some way which they may be pretty good at hiding it may not be something that's noticeable

until you really get to know them but also there's the physical Levalley it often manifests as somebody

who doesn't like being touched who has issues with hugging goal or just physical physical closeness

physical intimacy because that is something that wasn't that it was a need that wasn't met as a child.

And interestingly such a person with one of these aspects they often feel they aren't really physically

sensitive to the cold.

Saturn moon Saturn is emotionally cold or you know a sense of emotional restriction.

But on the on the physical bodily level so it's often somebody who gets cold much more easily than most

people.

As I mentioned previously moon difficult moon aspects tend to be harder on women than on men.

So any women with such an aspect in that shot you can expect at some point in that life.

And usually when quite young real emotional gut wrenching deep pain that really needs to be resolved

as the person becomes an idol before any kind of deep emotional satisfaction can be achieved.

You can ignore Satsang or any of these challenging aspects for your whole life without feeling the consequences

of it.

But they are there for a reason.

That is where we get tested and it's where we really have to face the big challenges in life and not

overcome them to really really feel fulfilled and feel complete.

And I should also say all of these aspects can be overcome.

There's no it's not like oh you're stuck with it you've got Moon Saturn you're screwed for you your

entire life.

It's not like that at some point.

Usually when a prominent transits hits these issues come up in our lives or not.

It's like saying OK now is the time to face it and deal with it.

And when it's a certain aspect that is usually at the time of the Saturn returns which is when Saturn

returns to the place in the zodiac it was the time of one's birth.

So it's round about the age of 29.

It varies a little bit from person to person but certainly between 28 and 30 some wearing that person

will have as Saturn returns and that's often when this stuff will come up and we'll ask to be dealt

with.

But they can be avoided for one's whole life probably but if you do so that it's only going to lead

to increasing isolation and loneliness sadness depression.

So really they need to be to be faced at some point.

And in terms of overcoming such in certain aspects one of the best ways is through physical touch through

getting a lot of muscle which is all you know physical contact with one's partner or just lots of hugs

of friends somewhere in Moon Saturn there's a sense of rejection.

There's a feeling that one was rejected by the mother in some way.

And there's no amount of rationalization or logical thinking can can overcome this.

It's it's physically felt sudden and when it's the moon it's you could say it's trapped in the body

in some way and so physical touch is a great start and all so often someone with one of these aspects

there's a real need to work on their self-esteem the recognition that once once we become adults we

have access to a whole range of different emotional resources that may be one available as a child.

And so that can be used.

And you know it's about learning to open up to to express one's feelings to stop holding the life at

arm's length which which is very common to stop blocking the emotions and it's likely to be painful

during that period.

The only real way to overcome it.

It's all about self nurturing working on self-esteem self-worth and also recognizing when we take life

too seriously.

Is very serious planning.

There's nothing jovial a little fun really about it.

So a moving Saturn aspect a person can just take things too seriously and so is learning to lighten

up and I opened up on the emotional level which which really involves learning to trust people and being

willing to trust people because the something about the childhood and relationship with the mother where

some think wedding deep saying life isn't to be trusted this person isn't to be trusted in some way.

And.

And it's a really hard thing to live with and it's a really hard thing to deal with and the only way

out of it is just taking that chance and opening up and saying OK now I'm going to trust.

And and as one does than then so that aspect can start to ease.

It's all about recognizing life isn't your enemy ultimately and it is ok to express what you're feeling

expressed that moon nature.

It's if you're cut off from it as Satan can have a tendency to do then then you cut off from such integral

important part of one's being.

So all this can lead to quite a pessimistic outlook on life feeling feeling unlucky or feeling like

I'm fated to suffer emotionally and I'm sad and life tends to bring you what you expect.

And so your experiences then reflect your internal feelings about life and other people.

So it's about trusting someone else when somebody else comes along and is activating that.

Moon So is providing can often a person with Moon Saturn just doesn't trust is feeling like OK this

this isn't going to last or is not enough for something that's going to go wrong.

And then there's the desire to shrink away again to hide away rather than taking that emotional risk

rather than opening up which is the only real way out of it.

So it really comes down to breaking that cycle of negative expectations.

And once a person does that then there's no reason that they have to be afflicted by this moon Saturn

aspect for the whole of their lives.

Like I say it's the certain issues tend to really come up and only get resolved around about 29 years

old once the Saturn Return happens.

Now I have some examples that I'm going to use of famous people for all of these aspects but what I

think I'll do first is run through each of them.

So I run through the moon aspects with the other planets and then go back and look at the examples.

I think it just helps to remind and reinforce the principles involved doing it that way around.

So let's move on to Moon Uranus

that we have the symbols again for the conjunction the square and the opposition and this image gives

you an idea of what mood you are and its aspects can be about.

So this is showing is is one of the aspects of Uranus which is a sense of the strange or eccentric or

bizarre which is a sort of extreme version of what a Moon Uranus connection can share the essence of

you and I say it's basically about the energies all about being different being idiosyncratic about

really living one's unique way of being and standing out from the crowd in some way.

It's about a sense of freedom.

And so when the moon is connected to Uranus in the hot aspects the something about the mother or the

early life that has this sense of uniqueness or unpredictability to it.

I remember when focusing here really on the lower side of the planet.

So the lower side of Uranus it has its positive and very nice traits too.

But we're lucky in that some of the major challenges that are shown in a chaw.

And so we're focusing almost exclusively on the on the difficult side of it.

So Moon you and us relationship with the moon about the early upbringing childhood conditioning has

something to do with the Erotic the unconventional may be unstable even mother and extreme that the

energy is sort of on on off on off.

So maybe she's that physically one minute and then she's gone the next maybe she's some kind of rebel

in some way she's just she's doing something different to the norm.

But the energy that the child picks up is a sense of inconsistency all right Rhatigan us.

So remember for the child we're talking about the feeling the emotional nature which gets picked up

from the mother.

And so imagine you have a mother who's who's a was coming and going so you know maybe she's restless

in some way or physically not was around.

What the what the baby Lund's is the everything to do with the body and the emotions are unpredictable

and really reliable in some way.

And so what the child learns is it's a con it can't trust it's its emotional well-being in a sense to

the mother figure.

Because the baby for whatever reason Lunds she's not what was a to with that nurturing connection.

And that was going to be there.

So what comes of that is usually some kind of detached bond with the mother figure in a sense you're

a nurse is it's a little bit like the elements as you remember when we're talking about Mouni now.

There's a sense of detachment that it's not it's not pure feeling based

sense of erratic ness that comes from the nurturing caregiver.

So the the emotional nature gets connected with the freedom and independence.

It could be that the mother wasn't comfortable with being a parent that she she so strongly had her

own needs for freedom and our need for space that these got transmitted to the child.

Now I don't know what exactly the situation the cause that a person with the Moon Uranus hard aspect

as they grow up as they sort of build strong need for emotional freedom which which can make it difficult

in relationship to others somebody with one of these aspects may be very wary about making a deep emotional

commitment to somebody else stemming back to the fact that they it as a child.

The the emotional bond not giving trusting your deep inner nature to somebody else isn't wise because

it can be that one minute gone the next.

So this thing gets transmitted into one's adult relationships.

And so a person with a moon you and I suspect there's likely to be a degree of apprehension of feeling

the cadet and one may need all the sense of freedom and needing space being so strong.

The you know the Moon once this close unless the moon wants to merge but the person then experiences

the Uranus pull on the other and say like I need I need to get away I need space so that they can be

a real push pull interaction and in close relationships of feeling these two contrasting natures of

the moon side or the person wanting the closeness and the Uranus side saying no no no I need my space

I need to go and be my own independent freedom oriented person.

As the as the one side of one's nature gets as the moon side gets the emotional needs fulfilled.

So the the you and rebel kicks in and says like oh my God you know I can't breathe there's no space

and I must I must get away and this makes it very challenging for close relationships.

And again this goes back to the childhood and often you'll find the Moon Uranus contacts had a very

unusual home life in some way.

Maybe they had a huge amount of freedom given to them by the by the parents especially the mother who

who needed her own space and was happy for the child to go off and do their own thing.

So there is a need to do things differently somehow and that's what you and this is all about is about

something you know a sense of needing next emotional excitement but doing things differently to the

traditional normal way.

So you often find routines been very difficult for you and this person soon as life becomes too too

boring to to the same day in day then then I need to read badly on you and I see all of that excitement.

It's like the energy is like electricity it's like these short short bursts of excitement which are

felt on an emotional level when it connects with with the moon.

So the danger is if one is unconscious of this and constantly attracting emotional upheaval or change

into one's life it's you may not even be aware of it.

But there's one part of you that just freaks out when things are too boring and normal.

And it's like no I need something exciting and extraordinary and different to happen.

And that can come actually in the form of upheaval difficult changes but it can give especially in women

a very unpredictable emotional nature.

So is that where there's the question of balance here and trying to find it trying to trying to make

space for both your moons needs a new and the needs of Uranus.

So the needs for close and merging and emotional reciprocation versus you're saying I need to get out

of here I need space I need freedom I need I need to go and have an adventure.

So there is the need to recognize this so that it's not projected to external events and people and

situations unsettling.

So I mean you're an honest person.

There is the need to live life in one's own unique way.

There is a need to do things differently a little a little bit you know not trying to not trying to

fit in and do what everyone else does but also not expressing the lower side of your illness which is

really battling just for the hell of it.

The classic Rebel Without A Cause.

So so such a person needs to create a degree of excitement or adventure in their life they can just

do the normal routine day in day.

Don't we balance some point and freak out.

Probably then in a way that that's kind of disruptive and detrimental to the life.

So maybe such a person has a nontraditional relationship with somebody who they don't see all the time.

There'll be periods where they act together and then maybe because they or their partner walks away

or because they live in different towns that maybe they don't see each other for a few days or you know

a period of time.

As one example of how this could work in a positive way if if they're trying to do the same normal relationship

as is everyone else.

And yet the moon you are this past and that this isn't quite right I keep freaking out and needing space

then do it differently.

It's nothing wrong with it.

There's no right or wrong way to live but there is a sense of needing to needing to accommodate both

of these energy in one's one's home life one's personal life.

Again so if you if a person only is embodying one side say that just being the moon who wants the security

and safety then then I'm more more likely than not they're going to end up with a person who's actually

embodying that that other nature is somebody who's constantly disappearing who's very independent or

somebody that just gets driven away by your own cleaning business and then goes off in search of a more

free life if you like or the other way round.

We can embody either sides of the polarities.

So essentially the bottom line is with Moon Uranus and figuring out how to be close and intimates and

also how to leave some space for yourself and to honor both of those needs which can feel conflicting

but which was a way to make it work in your life.

It just might be different to have somebody else's doing it.

The word restlessness is a good one to describe your nurse or somebody with this aspect if that if they

feel restless if there's this constant desire to break away feeling confined then that's a good indication

that you were on this side of that nature is being ignored or trying to be suppressed in some way and

it can't be ignored forever.

There is this craving for some kind of excitement or something different and interesting and unique

and it needs to be honored living what you know.

However it comes out having some kind of unusual in Trece you know being able to do so without just

having to destroy everything in your life to have a you know it's a case of finding that balance is

always

so let's move on to move Neptune hot aspects and the essence of the planet Neptune is really about Neptune

is about the dissolving of boundaries.

So in this case there's something about the connection with the mother or early childhood the there

was a sense of a lack of boundaries in some way.

Therefore when young goes up there's a blurring of the the boundaries between the mother and child.

It's like in some way they awe one being in its highest sense.

Neptune is about it's about the sense of whole nurse or one nurse you could call it a connection with

the Source Energy or the divinity.

But where the hard aspects with Neptune is concerned the lower nature of Neptune if you like.

We're talking about somehow that that desire for the merging the the one connection with divine nature

somehow gets expressed through the mother child relationship.

So this could be qualities that the mother possessed in some way.

Maybe the child experience as ours is as lacking in boundaries as as being the same being.

So it could be that the mother didn't have a strong enough sense of our own identity or you know felt

in some way this this longing for this for the dissolving of boundaries for this for this connection

with the divine that actually she ends up expressing through her relationship with her child.

So the mother hasn't fully formed her own sense of identity and in a way in a way the mother might be

an emotional child in that sense craving this unity and in so doing draining that the child of energy

or undermining the child somehow through through guilt or through through somehow when the child is

looking to develop its own sense of being and separateness the mother prevents that from happening.

It can be like the mother makes the child feel guilty for wanting to be their own separate person.

And so the mother hinders this this natural desire a natural drive to separate and to become one's one's

own self.

So there's a fusion somehow between the energies of the mother and child which is of course natural

when when the baby is very young.

There is this sense from the child's perspective being

being the same person as the mother but naturally as the child grows that there is this urge to sort

of differentiate and and separate.

Yet in some way that natural desire gets hindered through the early childhood experiences.

So this is this deep sense of connection or Oneness gives a person with the moon Neptune aspect tremendous

sensitivity somebody who is deeply tuned into the emotional states of other people is somebody who can

just absorb and pick up what's going on in their environment.

But that's that's that can be very beneficial.

But the lower side of it can actually be quite dangerous because then a person can grow up being like

a psycho sponge just like soaking up the feelings and emotions of everyone around them and not being

able to separate what's what's theirs and what's the other person.

This sense of the dissolving of the boundaries the blurring of what's me what's another is and it's

higher aspects very very compassionate very deeply connected to another.

But the challenge the fundamental challenge here is about developing clear boundaries between one's

self and other people and learning to draw the line and learning to maintain that sense of separateness.

Neptune in its in its lower form it can be.

It has the qualities of because there's a desire to merge then then the the physical life if you like

can be quite challenging it can seem quite harsh and crude and an older person really wants to do is

merge with the infinite again.

And so that comes out in lower Neptunian behaviors through a sense of escapism and that can be through

either just retreating into imagination or more destructive forms such as using drugs or alcohol or

or having a sense of being a victim in some way in the sense of suffering.

These are all themes related to Neptune.

So this could have been the person's experience when young with the moon Neptune aspect.

The mother could have been an alcoholic that could have been a drug addict or in some way they were.

We can't.

Seems like they couldn't take care of themselves sense of powerlessness or suffering that could have

been associated with the mother.

And so which the child then takes on as being an energy that is deeply connected to their own sense

of emotional well-being.

So there is a need to separate them from the mother figure the maternal energy that for some reason

doesn't happening quite the way that he's ideal when younger in somebody that has a new Neptune aspect.

And so as the child grows then

in a sense there's still this need to to fuse to too much to to dissolve one's boundaries in terms of

relating to another person.

Or it could be that the child grows up on an he's happy and willing to sacrifice their own needs to

you know adapting to another person and what they want to watch what the person thinks they want.

It's all about recreating that sense of oneness and fusing that they felt with the mother.

And it's not uncommon for Moon Neptune person to then grow up and have their own issues with drugs or

alcohol looking to detach from reality in some way that they're incredibly sensitive.

But there's a sense of the world being a bit too harsh.

The natural inclination to merge with their environments and with other people actually isn't always

a helpful thing in the world because you know like I was saying there's the sense of soaking up other

people's stuff their emotions there's just incredible sensitivity with this placement which which a

person has to be very careful about.

Of course as always we have to consider what sign the moon is and you know whether it's in a fire sign

or an arrow or a water sign.

And this planet connection would be especially noticeable if the moon happened to be water sign because

it's that same sense of looking too much.

It may not be so apparent if the moon is an ass sign for example but still just having that connection

with Neptune brings in the theme of looking to lose one's sense of self ultimately lose one's sense

of one's own emotional nature.

In this connection with another person so what it essentially boils down to with a person with a hard

Neptune aspect is recognizing the need to learn to say no the need to learn boundaries to define me

and to to recognize one sensitivity to the environment especially what one puts in the body whether

it's alcohol or drugs or even the food one the one eats there's an increased sensitivity to to anything

connected to what goes into the body and someone's going to be more susceptible to such substances with

this aspect than another person is going to be experienced by somebody as being subjected to the emotional

whims of people around them when it's at its worst.

That they have no clear sense of themselves and what supports their feelings and what's another person's.

But of course these these issues can all be overcome can all be transcended.

And for me Neptune person does a number of ways of doing.

Firstly those making sure one has time away from the world spending time in meditation maybe spiritual

pursuits is both ways of bringing the higher side of Neptune.

Having that aspect like this in the cha It has to be expressed somehow.

All aspects get expressed and how do they get expressed in your life changes over time and ideally moves

from the lower side towards the higher side.

So you can't just get away from it and on and ignore this sensitivity and desire to.

But instead the high path if you like is by bringing in the different aspects to Neptune the on about

losing one's self and about escapism but rather about getting in touch with one's artistic side the

spiritual side and side and creativity.

Anyone with a prominent Neptune they naturally have this sort of naturally attuned to this realm of

life this energetic vibration if you want to call it that that isn't tangible that isn't of the physical

three-D material world but nonetheless just as real.

It's just we can we can touch it we can't hold it but it's there and it's real and that's why such people

have great imaginations.

This ability to tap into this realm of experience this what you could call a higher spiritual plane

whatever that means

could be it could be described as an aspect of divine discontent.

Meaning a recognition even if it's vague or that you can't put into words but a recognition of something

beyond this material plane and really needing to to express that in some way so through.

Ortiz is a great way of getting in touch with one's true nature.

It can be through music through tapping into that imagination and use the creative purposes.

And also it can be used through the great sense of compassion that also comes with that Choon compassion

that comes from this.

This recognition this ability to directly tune into an emotional needs and where that and that can be

used in a positive sense through helping people in some way as long as the boundaries are maintained.

The danger is just soaking up another person's junk and helping them through just observing absorbing

all that negativity.

But obviously it doesn't help you either in the long term.

And again the fundamental theme especially when it comes to personal relationships is the recognition

for the need of boundaries.

Relationships are between two people relating where it was what Neptune really wants to do is just to

become want to just totally merge and lose one's sense of self which isn't really indicative of a healthy

relationship in the long term.

So certainly I would encourage anybody with a moon Neptune heart aspect you know depending on exactly

what speaks to them.

But to get in touch with this intangible the real Neptunian sense whether it's through being creative

autistic whether it's through spiritual exploration and going on a spiritual journey in life or through

the compassion side of that desire to to help other people through the direct recognition of other people's

suffering and difficulties.

All of these are ways of basically getting away from the the main moon Neptune challenges of a desire

to escape the physical world in some way.

Which goes back to one's early childhood conditioning.

Very often the relationship with the mother as I was saying in terms of not being her own strong sense

of self whether that was through drugs or alcohol or even being mentally or physically ill somehow being

unable to take care of herself.

All of these could be indicative of a mood Neptune aspect.

So let's move on now to the final of these moon aspects.

And that's moon with Pluto.

Now the energy of Pluto is basically the realm of everything that is deep and intense and powerful and

in mythology it's the realm of the underworld.

In psychology it could be seen as the the shadow the wall of the dark stuff that we possess that we

don't like to look at.

So when it's related to the moon then somehow we meet the realm of Pluto through connection without

love through our childhood conditioning in early life.

So for whatever reason we we tend to see this aspect of mother as being a bit of a Plutonian figure.

So maybe instinctively there's a recognition of dark feelings or a hidden feelings and frustrations

at the realm of Plutarch being the underworld.

Is it stuff that is very rarely on show.

It's stuff that we buried deep down in our psyches that we don't want to look at.

But it has quite a dark destructive element to it.

So it suggests the either the time of our the time of a person's birth or a time of when they were growing

up that mother was experiencing a lot of Pluto issues which basically relate to really intense adult

emotions.

As a young child really isn't equipped to understand you'll be able to deal with the child's likely

to be aware of these deep bodily motions that are coming from the mother.

But wait.

The child can understand and he's unable to deal with.

And so the child does what the what the mother did and sort of push it down into the unconscious.

So there's a real intensity there.

Moon Pluto connection is not an easy Wanny it indicates very deep powerful feelings a person whose emotional

nature is very complex.

It could even be that child is it feels threatened by the mother.

But there's a sense that she's the one that can destroy me or kill me or abandon me one day it can be

ways this can be a ways that the child interprets not an intellectual way but in a feeling way interprets

the Plutonian energy that the mother is giving.

The mother child bonding that happens is going to be very deep and very intense and may be comes with

a fear that this is this is going to get broken in some way that the mother is going to die or abandon

me and potentially this this could all be because the mother is herself experiencing a lot of these

dark emotions or deep emotions at that time.

So it's likely when when there's a Moon Pluto aspects

the relationship between mother and child is an easy one.

There's intense love that may be intense hate as well.

And this is the realm of Pluto.

Pluto is black or white.

It's very much love or hate.

It's either way.

It's it's intense.

There's nothing superficial or easy about the Moon Pluto contact.

And this is something that will get instilled at a very young age into the child.

Is the connection relationship with other people.

Is is not easy.

The emotional intensity to all relationships.

And so this is what the person is going to have an experience as they grow up and become an idol.

Are those going to be deeply ingrained patterns and a fear that one is going to be betrayed or abandoned.

What makes this so challenging for a person is there's a real deep yearning for intensity.

But at the same time probably a fear of one's own emotional nature because it's a becomes it's it's

connected to the Pluto realm so a person's emotions they feel has been related to the Dark Side Of Life.

It gives a person this deep need to share one's inner most emotions but at the same time a fear of doing

so.

Pluto in its lower form is is a manipulation control basically trying to control what somebody else

knows about you out of fear of them using one's own vulnerabilities against you.

So.

So Pluto can be quite secretive.

There's a desire to hold one's innermost self back for fear of fear of giving one Iowa over to another

person and basically been totally exposed and at risk of death is the kind of cool feeling even if it's

not physically life threatening situations that can be the intensity of the feelings that are that maybe

there's a deep belief the love will be your undoing.

How can a person relax if they're just waiting to be betrayed or abandoned in some way either because

it's what physically happened it actually happened with their mother or simply that was the nature of

the energy that they picked up from their mother was the deep intense adult emotions that the mom was

feeling at the time.

And the child learns naturally that is what her relationship with another person is.

That's how it gets expressed through the Plutonian realm.

So fear of loss fear of betrayal becomes a really important theme for somebody with hadan Moon Pluto

aspect in that short what makes this so challenging is that while the dual nature of Pluto the intensity

of such an intense desire for deep connection deep intimate relationship and yet an inability to trust

it yet the feelings are so strong there was a moon Plude sort of person is usually someone who thrives

on intensity and drama and intrigue that might deny it but deep down that they love thought they love

the emotional deep rollercoaster of passion on all levels you know that's just a love of intensity whether

it's good or bad.

Paua is also a Plutonian theme and so Moon Pluto a cut indicates someone's mother who was quite was

concerned with maintaining power and control and that could be how she related to the child and with

Dad manipulating the child quite possibly unconsciously all stemming from the awareness of the deep

realm of the shadow if you like of the dark intense feelings of rage or destructive ness or just being

aware somehow of the dark side of life and being a Chuen to that not necessarily the person is a dark

person but through that life they they've experienced some of these really intense and difficult life

experiences.

And so it all leads to a sense of holding something back.

Secrecy of not being comfortable with one's emotional nature with Moon Pluto because it's so connected

with these really intense deep emotions and of course they can then spill out into our personal relationships

such as this picture and caption nicely illustrates.

Moon Pluto relationship just because I hate you doesn't mean I don't love you.

It's that the themes of love and hate can can be so closely intertwined.

That's how they experience life that's what they expect in relationships and that's what they get.

In large part because of that fear of betrayal fear of opening up or not allowing oneself to be vulnerable

for fear of being destroyed.

And as always these can be self-fulfilling prophecies.

It can show somebody who's has a fear of loss and rejection is so strong that they hold on incredibly

tightly to it to a person and to basically drive them away.

Obsession and compulsion are also Pluto realms.

And so any kind of obsessive compulsive behavior is something that needs to be brought up into the light

if you like to be made aware of rather than being be knocked unconscious fashion and at the same time

of course the superficial is never enough.

When Plutos consigns a person must dive deeply into their emotional nature and emotional connections

with others any kind of gentle relationship that doesn't like passion isn't you know isn't fulfilling

to the emotional nature of the moon.

When connected with Pluto needs needs these really deep strong bonds.

But of course it's a very powerful energy to have to manage and deal with.

And one of the really important things for a person to do with Moon Pluto is basically make friends

with your dark side it's to to recognize and to accept that you have these really intense deep emotions

that might be sometimes a bit dark but you can't fight them you can keep pushing them down and pretending

they're not there you can't ignore them because I like Spode somehow in your life at some point and

usually in quite a messy way.

So it's about bringing healthy intensity into your life in some way.

It's about forging deep personal connections and not allowing oneself to to open up and to be vulnerable

and to recognize only through the doing of it.

Actually you're not destroyed by it.

You're not revealing the skeletons hidden in your closet which Moon Pluto people often have when a person

has those feelings and allows them to be expressed.

The responses are still was way more positive than they expect.

There's a sense of the fear of revealing oneself leads to the havior of suspicion and secrets which

are all the lower expression of Pluto.

But you can't just ignore the intense desire for intensity.

Are you likely to be attracted to a person who's either complex or with Deeble passion in some way and

really really intense love hate relationships are very common simply because you're just not attracted

to someone who doesn't have that passion someone who is safe and conservative and gentle in a way doesn't

stimulate your moods desires it doesn't stimulate that need for intensity.

So it's making sure that the intensity comes through in a healthy way.

The realm of Pluto can be it can indicate somebody with an interesting in all of these deep subjects

of life.

Everything that's looking to get under the face you know psychology even Sharmin is Pluto or is anything

that's that's looking to dive deeply into life.

That has to be there in some regard it has to be acknowledged and brought out in a person's life.

And so getting involved with those kinds of things or even working with people in intense situations

working with people who have been through some kind of crisis or trauma or so good ways of bringing

in the higher side of Pluto and making sure the intensity is there in life.

But intensity doesn't have to mean crisis violence or betrayal or huge arguments in your own life.

Often these issues really come to the fore.

Well for a woman a woman with Moon Pluto hot aspect in a chaw when she first becomes pregnant that's

that's going to be a time when she becomes a mother herself.

These issues tend to come to the fore.

So giving birth and being a mother is going to contain really strong emotional processes.

Fall for that woman and she's going to have incredibly strong intense bonds with her children and it's

it's about recognizing and managing those in healthy ways and recognizing that when when she does become

a mother all of those will resolve the issues that she probably wasn't even aware of because being Pluto

tends to be stuff that we bury our cites in the depths of our psyche that we're not aware of but then

that's when it all comes to the fore.

And you know for a guy Moon Pluto is likely to be activated when he makes a really deep commitment either

a marriage or a long term relationship and family.

That's where he's really going to feel the full force of his Moon Pluto aspects and any parts of it

that haven't yet been dealt with.

At its worst he might find been involved with quite possessive or manipulative women that would be the

real Lois side of Pluto or even been very very fearful and mistrusting of them for some reason that

would all be indicative of unresolved Moon Pluto issues in his own life in his own being that he's going

to get the opportunity to deal with and face and work through when in a close partnership.

So that brings us to the end of this class on the moon and its hard aspects and in the next class I

will use some examples from famous people to illustrate the last few of these aspects that we've been

lucky not with the moon and Saturn Uranus and Neptune and Pluto.